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Looks like the Obama campaign is going for the "Ancient Roman Crowd". FYI - Vero Possumus roughly translates as "Yes we can."

And so it begins....

Notice any similarities with this seal?

The Real Deal.

Here's another ancient (Greek) word that they might want to look up:

What the heck, I'll look it up for 'em:

noun excessive pride or self-confidence; arrogance.  

As I said before, I have a strong sense that all McCain has to do in order to win is let Obama & co. "Barack" themselves.

This is just the beginning of the self-destruction. Stay tuned.

Comments (9)
Craig Wiseman July 1st, 2008 08:03:00 AM

1) Hubris
Timothy Briley 7/1/2008 3:28:08 PM

Here's today's Obama contradiction:

Is not in favor of legalized gay marriage, but congratulates those LGBT couples who have recently done so. How do you congratulate someone for doing something that you are opposed to?

2) Hubris
Craig Wiseman 7/1/2008 4:12:30 PM

It's quite easy when you're comfortable talking out of both sides of your mouth....

3) Hubris
Charles Robinson 7/2/2008 8:31:31 AM

I don't think Barack is being arrogant at all. Using a logo that is derived from the seal of the President is appropriate since he is a candidate for that office.

@1 - Just because you oppose something on a personal level doesn't mean you can't be open minded enough to be supportive of it. Voltaire summed it up well: "I may disagree with what you say, but I will defend unto my death your right to say it!"

In this case it's about separating your personal beliefs from public policy. Arnold Schwarzenegger is on the record as being personally opposed to gay marriage, but he still opposed a measure that would ban gay marriage in California because he didn't want to force his beliefs on everyone. On the other hand, McCain strongly supported the Arizona gay marriage ban; which, incidentally, Arizonans did not approve.

4) Hubris
Craig Wiseman 7/2/2008 9:19:39 AM

@3 - Hmmm. There are a couple of things here (to me).

I -flatly- have no respect for the current president (He most likely will/should go down as one of the worst we've EVER had), but The Office of the President is a different thing and doing a riff on the Seal of the President seems at a minimum disrespectful to that office. YMMV....

Doing a riff on the Seal also seems to be either presumptuous (as in "this is the first draft of what my seal will look like after November."), or grasping (as in "see, I can look Presidental!"). Either one is not positive....

5) Hubris
Craig Wiseman 7/2/2008 9:33:43 AM

@3 - I was going to leave the gay marriage thing alone, but I will say this:

My feeling is that Obama is actually for it, but for political reasons, he publicly states he's against it.

If you're for it, be for it publicly. If you're against it, be against it publicly. Don't hedge or masquerade.

This is my great fear about Obama - we don't fully & actually know what he stands for, just what he SAYS he stands for _now_.

One of the worst things about Bush was that during the 2000 campaign and before he took office, he (actively) tried to give a sense that he would be GHWB's 2nd term. For all the bad things you can say about GHWB, he tried to govern in the classic sense of working with both parties, etc. His "no new taxes" pledge was a flash of the 'new politics', but his practical, "well, we got to balance the budget, and raising some taxes is part of that - duh." was one of the last "old politics" I think we'll ever see. W played on that to make people comfortable with him. Until he systematically started messing up every conceiveable part of the Federal Government.

McCain has a clearly defined history, and it's one where he's pissed off both sides to do the 'right' thing. We need that now. We don't need to take another shot in the dark and hope it works out.

6) Hubris
Timothy Briley 7/2/2008 11:08:47 AM

@3 - "Just because you oppose something on a personal level doesn't mean you can't be open minded enough to be supportive of it."

Gotta disagree Charles. If you don't think something should be legal, how in the world can you be supportive when someone does it. Also, this has nothing to do with public policy. He personally disagrees with gay marriage, yet personally congratulated people who did it.

As far as the seal is concerned, you might not see anything wrong with it, but he caught enough flak over it that you'll never see him use it again. It rubbed too many undecideds the wrong way and gained him nothing.

As far as what Obama says he stands for? Who cares what he says? What you should care about is what his past actions indicates that he stands for.

For example he states that he thought the DC gun ban went too far, but he used to be a director of a foundation that give millions to anti-handgun groups while he was there.

7) Hubris
Charles Robinson 7/2/2008 2:56:31 PM

Personally I don't find the seal thing even moderately interesting. It amuses me that people get wound up over stuff like that.

With regards to the gay marriage thing, I agree with you both. Many people in politics have taken the stance they think their constituents want to hear rather than sticking to their own beliefs or leaving their beliefs out of it entirely. Some people called Schwarzenegger a hypocrite, but at least his approach to the issue was based on supporting the will of the people and the spirit of overall fairness and equality. His personal beliefs went one way but he was willing to set that aside.

My point was that the apparent double-speak can make sense, as I think Schwarzenegger's handling of it proves. I won't drag this out any further, if you want to continue the discussion I'll be glad to do so offline. :-)

At the end of the day I can't vote for a President who is determined to treat me as a second class citizen, so I don't have a lot of options. It's tragic that it comes down to something to basic.

8) Hubris
Charles Robinson 7/2/2008 2:59:10 PM

Oh, and I never meant to imply I thought Barack was behaving in a manner similar to Schwarzenegger. I think he is being vague and evasive, and he should take a stand and stick with it. Either you're for something or you're against it, you can't go around creating your own definitions of "is" for crying out loud.

9) Hubris
Timothy Briley 7/2/2008 4:11:56 PM

@7 & 8:

Thanks for the clarification in #8, because #7 left me a tad unsure as to what you meant.

I've read a lot about Obama and have come to the conclusion that even for a politician, he's telling a lot of flat-out lies, his relationship with Jeremiah Wright being a prime example. His claim that he thinks the Supreme Court decision on handguns was the correct one even though the members of the Court that he likes all were against it.

David Brooks of the NY Times has a column, "The Two Obamas" that makes for interesting reading: { Link }

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