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It's been a bit since Notes 8.0.2 came out, and I just want to give a clear, long-term thumbs up. I loaded 8.0.0 when it shipped and did the same with 8.0.1, and set up a widgets catalog, etc.

However, with 8.0.0 and 8.0.1, I found myself up running the Basic flavour 80-90% of the time. Why? Because the Standard version either crashed frequently, esp. when I ran the stand-alone Sametime client along with it. Either that, or it would get unusably slow and take up far too much RAM. My Thinkpad has 4GB RAM and a 320GB HD, so it's not like I'm resource constrained either. It seemed to be more Windows resource contention rather pure "out of RAM" issue.

R8.0.2 has really changed my user experience, and all I did was download the upgrade from Partnerworld and run it. I didn't have to do a clean uninstall or anything like that. Good thing, too, because I've now learned by experience that the Quickr plug-in for Notes 8 won't install into 8.0.2 - my advice is to install 8.0.1, and then immediately upgrade it to 8.0.2 if you want the plug-in. And you do want the plug-in.  [UPDATE: Quickr FP8101 (9/28/2008) includes the updated connectors for Notes 8.0.2 Thanks, Mr. Moignard!]

I live in the Standard client now, it's fast enough and bug-free enough to be usable as my 'base' client. And that's a very good deal. Now with Sametime, Quickr, etc. it really makes things flow together.

There are still lots of niggling issues and rough edges, pretty much everywhere, but it's now no worse (actually much better) than Outlook. I have come to view the R8.x stream as similar to the R5.x, big changes & improvements are here, but they are taking a bit to iron out.

Off the top of my head, here are some things that still need to be addressed:

  • The integrated Sametime has to get it's config from Notes policies, just like the integrated Sametime in 6.5x, 7.x, and 8.x Basic. The approach (in my little mind) is that the entire client needs to be easily policy driven from one place. I don't actually care if it's traditional polices or the Eclipse update site, but it needs to be as easy to work with as traditional policies. CraigRANT (tm): At this point, the Eclipse-based update site needs a lot of work to be in the same parish as traditional policies, much less the same city or ballpark.

  • The traditional Smartupgrade database/approach needs to be unified with the Eclipse Update Site approach. I don't see why they couldn't be one database with different views and upgrade kits.

  • The whole Java view/traditional view look/function dichotomy needs to be fixed.

  • To Do's need to be fixed, both in look & feel, but more importantly in function. CraigRANT (tm): Yes, I know Activities are the end-all and be-all, but the plain market fact is that there are lots and lots of shops that will not for the foreseeable future be going to Connections.

  • The issues with Contacts, Journal, user IDs, workspace, etc. being difficult to move from PC to PC need to be addressed. CraigRANT (tm): This drives admins crazy, especially former Outlook/Exchange admins. In their world, that all just worked. They would just fire up Outlook, enter their name & password and have everything. It's now been made worse for us Notes folks because storing your data folder in your user directory on a file server is just broken now for the Standard client. I know, it never was supported but at least it worked. Now, if your PC blips on the network for a mini-micro-second, the Eclipse-basecd Standard client blows its brains out. We have actually lost a larger-ish long-term Notes/Domino client based on this issue, combined with the If-the-smartupgrade-fails-it-destroys-your-current-install issue.

There will always be issues to be fixed in software (and hardware. and wetware.), so I don't want to come off as too negative here.

Notes 8.02 gets the nod for general rollout.

Image:Notes 8.0.2 is rewarding

Comments (3)
Craig Wiseman September 30th, 2008 07:53:02 AM

1) Notes 8.0.2 is rewarding
Darren Duke 9/30/2008 9:43:48 AM

All good points, especially the "blip" issues, we've seen it too.

2) Notes 8.0.2 is rewarding
Gavin Bollard 9/30/2008 5:02:04 PM

I really don't want to be putting a damper on the whole thing but I used 8.0.2 for the whole day yesterday and experienced 3 crashes. This compares to less than one per month on 7.0.2.

I asked a colleague - also on 8.0.2 and he said that his was crashing several times per day.

For this reason, I can't consider bundling it with our SOE.

3) Notes 8.0.2 is rewarding
Charles Robinson 10/2/2008 9:15:46 AM

I agree that 8.0.2 has much better startup times and lower memory utilization, but I gave up on the Eclipse versions of Notes after 8.0.2 crashed on me repeatedly. This is the third supposedly gold release of the R8 codestream and it's STILL crashing and it's STILL doing stupid stuff with the toolbars. It's been going on for over a year and I've given up reporting the same problems to Lotus support since they haven't been addressed yet.

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